A new LA Times/USC poll finds Prop 19 trailing 51% to 39%. In a year of wacky polling when everyone is debating likely turnout models, polling on Prop 19 has been all over the map.
In September, PPIC had an outlier poll that found Prop 19 ahead 52-41. Yesterday they released another poll found there had been a 16 point swing, to 44-49. On the other hand, Survey USA found Prop 19 leading 48-41 in September, and holding somewhat steady at 48-44 this week.
Somebody has to be wrong. But SurveyUSA is the only polling firm that is releasing its likely voter models for public scrutiny, so it’s difficult to compare either the PPIC or the LA Times/USC polls in terms of methodology. PPIC released many of its findings, but not its likely voter model.
Several things are worth noting:
1. The polling methodology being used on this issue is more appropriate to partisan office holders rather than ballot measures. On an issue like Prop 19, where age is a much stronger predictor of support than partisan affiliation, the samples being taken among 18-39 year olds is probably small enough to be statistically insignificant. The LA Times poll finds that voters under 40 only favor it by 48% to 37%. That’s inconsistent with the findings of just about every other poll, and considering the fact that they only poll 441 likely voters, the margin of error is going to be enormous.
2. The PPIC polls from September to October are worth comparing on an apples-to-apples basis, however. Support among Latinos has eroded from 63% to 42%. Polling has indicated that support among Hispanic voters increase when they are told that Prop 19 will save money on incarcerations, and the Voto Latino’s California voter guide (PDF) says:
Financial Impact: Estimated savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually for state and local governments on the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. It is currently unknown but there could potentially be an increased amount of revenue for state and local government related to the production and sale of marijuana products.
It’s unfortunate that nobody has launched a Hispanic radio campaign, because there is virtually no money on the “no” side of the issue. It’s long been apparent that marijuana measures pass largely on the basis of public enthusiasm, however, regardless of the skill level of those running the campaigns.
3. Robert Cruickshank of the Courage Campaign says that anecdotally, he’s hearing that Eric Holder’s bombastic and threatening statement against Prop 19 has had an impact on turning off supporters, but it’s hard to know if that’s showing up in the polls.
4. It’s all going to come down to turnout. Will young voters buck historic midterm trends and show up for Prop 19? As Jon Walker noted, among those who have already sent in their ballots, Prop 19 is narrowly losing. But it leads among those who plan to vote and have not done so. If there was ever a measure in need of a crack turnout operation, this is it. Unfortunately, there never really was one assembled due to lack of resources.
If you want Prop 19 to pass, get to the phones. Calling likely Prop 19 supporters and personally asking them to vote is one of the best ways to get them to the polls, and Just Say Now phone bankers have already put in over 10,000 calls.
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I have to say that I don’t believe the polls. The questions asked are fuzzy and then the responses are shown as answer to a completely different point of view.
I have no faith whatsoever in the polls. It is a propaganda tool for the masses when it is pushed out before actual results.
Why are you people obsessed with smoking dope?
Here we go with the “you people” again.
What’s your point? Feeling persecuted?
Nope. Just think it’s rude to address others as “you people.” And it’s not about smoking dope – it’s about money for my state and it’s about putting people in jail for doing something that is much safer than alcohol. It’s about staying out of our lives – and, no, I don’t smoke dope.
I guess legalized prostitution is next then, it fits the criteria.
LOL, have you tried it??? Then you’d know. /jk
Seriously, it’s not an issue of smoking dope. Or wanting abortions. Or needing a drink. It’s about whether or not in a so-called free society whether or not we CHOOSE what we do to or with our OWN BODIES. I should be able to be free to do whatever I want to or with my body so long as it doesn’t harm anyone else or their property.
If I want to stand in the corner and bang my head on the wall, I can. If I want to take a baseball bat and hit myself with it, I can. Even though those things harm me, I’m free to do it. I can’t take that bat and hit someone else though. Then it’s assault.
Same with drugs or drinks. If I put it into my body and even if it harms me, I should have the right. If I then go do something else, (go on a high induced crime spree), well those crimes are already illegal and I would face consequences. But there should be no laws telling any man or woman what they can and can’t do with or to their own bodies so long as it harms no one else, their property, or their rights. Period.
Prohibition laws fail that. All of them. They are all not based on harm to others (thus, they’re often called “victimless crimes”), they are passed simply because some folks don’t LIKE other folks doing them. That’s it. And that’s wrong in a free society. It fits nicely in an authoritarian one though. Would you like ours to become more authoritarian?
You’re damn right it ought to be next. Another “crime” where both those involved AGREE on what they’re doing. It’s another bullshit “crime” that violates the principles laid forth in my post above.
Why do so many Americans hate freedom?
Nothing has changed from the Bill Clinton era. Establishment Democrats are still pandering to soccer moms and telling young voters to get lost. They’re about to pay a heavy price for their arrogance.
And it’s not about smoking dope – it’s about money for my state and it’s about putting people in jail for doing something that is much safer than alcohol.
It’s also about ending a form of prohibition that erodes civil liberties, wastes billions of taxpayer dollars, and relies on fear and misinformation to perpetuate itself.
The polling today makes me believe more and more that our voting is rigged. Because if the voting is rigged, then they must first rig the polling else too many alarms in the public might be set off.
Might sound like wild conspiracy theories, but I’m aware that TPTB will do ANYTHING to see this fail.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is up: George W. Bush Says His “Biggest Accomplishment” Was Keeping Us “Safe”
Now we have the morals police coming here and layin’ their shit on us. Sheesh. Methinks they’re just jealous they missed out on the sex, drugs and rock n’ roll era. Too bad, Puritans, ya don’t know what ya missed.
Establishment dems DESERVE to pay a heavy price for their arrogance. And for their complete FAILURES to do what any good large, REAL Democratic majority would have done over the past two years in Congress and the White House.
They must be held accountable or they will learn their is no accountability. With no accountability, we really have no right to complain about them when they do wrong. After all, with no accountability, we’d likely do some wrongs too. I’m broke, I wouldn’t mind taking some money from a bank. They’ve got plenty. And they stole theirs.
My employer wouldn’t allow me to smoke even if it was legal, and my wife wouldn’t allow me to visit prostitutes, so I don’t really care about either.
I just want the rights to the bumper sticker, “Cali’s my pimp and my pusher”.
Why do so many Americans think it’s freedom when it’s taxed and regulated by the government?
Because taxes and regulations don’t prohibit it all together. You’re still free to engage in the activity itself.
If you want a society that’s free of regulation and taxation, there’s a great spot you’d enjoy. It’s called Somalia. And BTW, you ARE free to put such a bumper sticker on your car. You don’t have one?
But your employer’s probably okay with those who drink alcohol to get a buzz, right? Just a matter of legality?
I already voted here in CA. Now I can just ignore the polls. It doesn’t matter. I’m done. Wake me up when it’s over.
I voted for Jerry Brown over Meg, as Meg is just another Arnie. Since Jerry is 97 years old, I also voted for Gavin Newsome over unAbel Maldanado. I don’t like Gavin much, but unAbel even less. Plus the state is so dysfunctional that I think we need one party in control for a session or two to make some dramatic moves. Maybe Prop 13 needs to go away. Something like that. Meg would try to blow up the boxes or whatever, fail, and then we’re stuck in neutral. This state is in trouble and neutral is a bad gear to be in.
I went a different direction in the Senate as I voted for Carly over Boxer. Boxer really frustrates me. Even though I disagree with Carly on many issues, Boxer has done nothing during her time in Washington. Carly is a strong woman and I think more aggressive than Boxer. So I’m hoping she does a better job representing California. We are really hurting here and I think Boxer’s personality makes enemies not friends. Maybe Carly can get more business here.
Carly and DiFi are strong women. And I think those two together make for excellent representation.
Local issues…. Yes on 19 (pot), yes on 23 (suspend carbon act), yes on 25 (50%+1 instead of 2/3rds for budget).
Those are the big ones.
The polls may indeed be underestimating young voter turnout (I hope), but there’s a real problem too. That’s the lies in the Voter Information Guide by the opponents who said it would legalize stoned driving and working. A lot of people may get spooked by that, and the supporters were not nearly clear enough in their rebuttals in the Guide. Proposition 19 legalizes neither DWI nor stoned workers, but proponents didn’t get that across clearly. If it goes down, it’ll be those lies that killed it …
Not during work hours.
Do they have a MJ test to see if you’re currently under the affect, like the booze breathalizer?
I understand the publics worry over stoned drivers. It seems a little misplaced given the stoners I’ve written with (they wouldn’t have dented the car in an accident they went so slow), though. But I do understand it.
But I don’t get the worry over stoned workers. Do most folks think stoned workers wouldn’t get fired? Maybe it’s different in California, but here in Virginia you can get fired for ANYTHING. That’s not an exageration, it’s the law. If the employer doesn’t like your hair color, he can fire you. So why would anyone think an employer would put up with stoned employees?
Nobody’s talking about during work hours.
No, there is no test that will show if a person is acutely intoxicated by any substance other than alcohol. Urine tests will show a substance is in the body but that’s the extent of the testing. Marijuana has a long half live so will show up in the system for 2 weeks to a month, depending upon the person’s body weight. The more body fat, where it’s stored, the longer it can be detected. Cocaine has a short half life and metabolizes out of the system in about 24 hours.
The opponents in the Voter’s Guide claim that Prop 19 would *prevent* employers from firing stoned workers. It’s a lie, but the proponents did a really lousy job of their rebuttal to that and other such claims in the Voter’s Guide. I’m afraid that part of the responsibility with any possible failure to pass will lie with that weak rebuttal by proponents in the Guide. I was shocked when I read it. I even wondered if proponents were serious in their efforts …
Well, my question was going to be, why doesn’t he care that his employer tells him whether he can smoke or not in his off hours? Why wouldn’t someone care that their employer tells them how much they can weigh or what soft drinks they should drink? I’m more concerned with private entities dictating to me than the restrictions my fellow citizens, through the auspices of “government by and for the people” may put on me. Of course, I’d rather have neither dictating to me with no good reason at all.
because it’s not freedom when 600,000 people are arrested for marijuana every year.
The real question is why you care about other people smoking dope. As long as they don’t drive or work under the influence what difference does it make if you do alcohol, prozac or weed?
The US is a self righteous, straight laced country. In one sense I suppose you can say these immoral actions damage us by increasing health care costs, but I say the hell with that. If someone wants to ride a bicycle or motorcycle without a helmet, go ahead. Same for bungi jumping, hang gliding and parachute jumping. NYC’s Mayor Bloomberg wants to take soda off food stamps. Soda fattens and probably shortens lives, but if your life is difficult, drinking a can of soda may be as good as you’re going to feel all day. Bloomberg jets all over the place and eats high on the hog. He should let others do as they please, as so should we all.
Sorry to be a pessimist, but I think Prop 19 is going down. Being a native Californian, I’ve seen this so many times before. A good, progressive prop is leading in the polls and when the great powers decide that it must go down, it goes down. Prop 19 has been skewered in the past few weeks from every conceivable angle. Most of it bullshit, but obvioulsy the attacks come from a well thought out and effective campaign strategy.
A well heeled array of interest groups are pouring money into the fight, starting with the alcohol lobby and followed by the interest groups that would be monetarily threatened by the widespread practical (non-recreational) uses of hemp. No progress is ever made in America when a deep pocketed lobby is threatened.
You know, it gets to be a matter of degree and public cost.
I don’t wear a helmet when I ride my bike around generally, because I have never fallen and had an injury to my head and neck and I have never known anyone who did and being in the medical field I can say that serious injuries to the head and neck are pretty rare for bicycle riders. However (and my field encompasses a LOT of trauma radiology) I can definitely say that motorcycle riders in aggregate suffer many and serious damage to their head and neck in trauma. These result quite often in the taxpayers paying for the incredibly expensive lifelong care for these patients with paralysis or debilitating head injuries. The easiest thing from a social expense perspective is for the pt. to simply die on the trauma table. But of course that is no good so we do all we can to save them, which is fine but very, very expensive to maintain long term care. If this can me ameliorated by the use of a helmet when operating a helmet while riding a MCycle, which is a privilege on the public roads- not a right, then I think, after proper analysis, that society is justified in requiring the helmet.
But as I said, it’s a matter of degree and I guess to some extent, convenience. It’s quite possible to suffer head trauma and paralysis from car accidents. Should we require everyone who drives or rides in a car to wear a helmet? Naw. Just doesn’t work out.
So the weed initiative needs a crack turnout operation? Funny, Jane.
Jane will be appearing here all week. Try the veal.
I already voted. Yay for me. Prop 19 checked yes.
This area and a few counties to the north have strange and awful consequences with illegally grown pot. If you happen to stumble into a cultivated area (often grown on public land), it’s not unlikely you’ll face pit bulls, booby traps and firearms. When the crop is in these wonderful people will simply turn those poor dogs loose and leave without conscience.
That has to end. In my humble opinion, the best way to do that is take away their market, and remove that evil out of the black market. Legalize it, tax it, and regulate it.
well who knows, I’ve got to figure that the way things are going (wages/SS/middle class)we will need more than just booze to get by on. Everythings going up in smoke anyways. I’m not saying I’m voting yes but like the recent documentary about moonshine I don’t want the man to know everything.
VOTE NO ON PROP 19.. DONT LET CORPORATE TOBACCO TAKE OVER THE HERB.. PHILLIP MORRIS THE MAKERS OF MARLBORO HAS BOUGHT 200 ACRES OF LAND IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY IN ANTICIPATION OF THE LAW PASSING.. THE LAW ONLY ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE ONE ONCE OF HERB AND GROW IN A 5X5 AREA THIS IS CRAP.. IF THEY GONNA MAKE IT LEGAL THEY SHOULD NOT PUT RESTRICTIONS ON AMOUNTS YOU CAN GROW OR POSSES. VOTE NO! JACK HERER LAW FOR 2012 IS BETTER WRITTEN. BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU WISH FOR.. REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED WHEN ALCOHOL BECAME LEGAL.. BUDWISER AND COORS AND MILLER.. ONLY THOSE WITH MILLIONS TO SPEND ON GROWING THEIR BRAND OF HERB WILL CONTROL IT. A NEW CARTEL OF CORPORATE AMERICA.. PROVIDING STRICTLY COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS.. CAMEL, COKE, HERSHEYS, DORITTOS OF WEED. ALL NEATLY PACKAGED FOR MASS CONSUMPTION.
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I have to agree with the jerk above and his ALL CAPS blather. I’m voting “NO” on 19 because of simple economics. I have invested in a local dispensary, and I expect prices and profits will go down if/when MJ is legalized. I know that 19 will bring in a lot of tax revenue for the state and put in much needed controls, but I don’t care about that crap. All I care about is my own bottom line. Sorry folks!
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Though your question is of the “when did you stop beating your wife” category, I will answer your question.
I support cannabis legalization as a citizen because its prohibition is a strong civil liberties and social justice issue.
As a scientist interested in plants and their beneficial properties I have found much evidence of the therapeutic value of this plant and believe individuals should have access to and understanding of beneficial plant species. I believe many who are said to be using cannabis for “recreational purposes” are relieving stress. Stress is a dangerous and often unrecognized condition.
You can call it being obsessed with “smoking dope” if you like.