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	<title>Comments on: White House Offers Dismissive Response to Marijuana Petitions</title>
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	<description>Legalize marijuana</description>
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		<title>By: ima_sinnic</title>
		<link>http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2011/10/31/white-house-offers-dismissive-response-to-marijuana-petitions/#comment-5384</link>
		<dc:creator>ima_sinnic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 01:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I could work up the desire to register at WH.gov to start or sign a petition (which I absolutely WON&#039;T), I&#039;d start one asking that the craven liar and ineffectual butt-kisser resign from office for the good of the country asap. I&#039;m pretty sure it would get tens of thousands of signatures in about 24 hours.

Spin that, obombem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I could work up the desire to register at WH.gov to start or sign a petition (which I absolutely WON&#8217;T), I&#8217;d start one asking that the craven liar and ineffectual butt-kisser resign from office for the good of the country asap. I&#8217;m pretty sure it would get tens of thousands of signatures in about 24 hours.</p>
<p>Spin that, obombem.</p>
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		<title>By: mgloraine</title>
		<link>http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2011/10/31/white-house-offers-dismissive-response-to-marijuana-petitions/#comment-5383</link>
		<dc:creator>mgloraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 01:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prohibitions benefit organized crime. Gangsters make big bucks selling prohibited substances on the black market. If those substances were legalized, the gangsters&#039; income sources would evaporate. So they pay politicians semi-big bucks to make sure that those substances remain illegal and therefore profitable. 0bama and his minions are on the receiving end of those payoffs from the gangsters who are making the big bucks from trafficking the illegal substances. There is no chance that they will imperil their own graft spigot by ending such a profitable prohibition. 

Am I suggesting that 0bama &amp; Co. are colluding with criminal elements?

Yes, I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prohibitions benefit organized crime. Gangsters make big bucks selling prohibited substances on the black market. If those substances were legalized, the gangsters&#8217; income sources would evaporate. So they pay politicians semi-big bucks to make sure that those substances remain illegal and therefore profitable. 0bama and his minions are on the receiving end of those payoffs from the gangsters who are making the big bucks from trafficking the illegal substances. There is no chance that they will imperil their own graft spigot by ending such a profitable prohibition. </p>
<p>Am I suggesting that 0bama &amp; Co. are colluding with criminal elements?</p>
<p>Yes, I am.</p>
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		<title>By: mgloraine</title>
		<link>http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2011/10/31/white-house-offers-dismissive-response-to-marijuana-petitions/#comment-5382</link>
		<dc:creator>mgloraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 01:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mormon position on caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, cannabis, and anything else which could be construed as a recreational drug is that all of them are strictly forbidden. Don&#039;t look for Romney to legalize marijuana. He might, however, try to outlaw coffee, Coca-Cola, tobacco and booze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mormon position on caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, cannabis, and anything else which could be construed as a recreational drug is that all of them are strictly forbidden. Don&#8217;t look for Romney to legalize marijuana. He might, however, try to outlaw coffee, Coca-Cola, tobacco and booze.</p>
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		<title>By: ima_sinnic</title>
		<link>http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2011/10/31/white-house-offers-dismissive-response-to-marijuana-petitions/#comment-5381</link>
		<dc:creator>ima_sinnic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 01:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a pathetic, deluded, and dishonest excuse to vote for a traitor, soulless warmonger, serial liar, con artist, and overall asshole. You need to review the record of one of his 2 SC picks so far, Elena Kagan. See &quot;Elena Kagan -- Willing Accomplice in the Siegelman Affair,&quot; by Michael Collins: http://newresearchfindingstwo.blogspot.com/2010/06/elena-kagan-willing-accomplice-in.html 


And Sotomayor is no flaming liberal either -- she&#039;s middle of the road, noncommital, safe for the wealthy pigs.


What makes you think the man who murders innocent children with drones without a second thought, with no remorse or conscience, who does whatever the &quot;republicans&quot; want him to do, including flushing our Social Security and Medicare down the toilet, who sneers in our faces with lies about why he won&#039;t even consider legalization of MJ, who goes behind our backs to conspire with health insurance companies to rob us, who can&#039;t give the wealthy parasites their tax breaks fast enough and approves the transfer of our money to the wealthy scumbags, no strings attached, for their &quot;bailout&quot; -- what makes you think he&#039;s going to go all out of character and appoint a &quot;liberal&quot; SC justice?


When I hear that sorry, fraudulent excuse for voting for the asshole, I have to question the sanity and sincerity of the person. Do your homework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a pathetic, deluded, and dishonest excuse to vote for a traitor, soulless warmonger, serial liar, con artist, and overall asshole. You need to review the record of one of his 2 SC picks so far, Elena Kagan. See &#8220;Elena Kagan &#8212; Willing Accomplice in the Siegelman Affair,&#8221; by Michael Collins: <a href="http://newresearchfindingstwo.blogspot.com/2010/06/elena-kagan-willing-accomplice-in.html" rel="nofollow">http://newresearchfindingstwo.blogspot.com/2010/06/elena-kagan-willing-accomplice-in.html</a> </p>
<p>And Sotomayor is no flaming liberal either &#8212; she&#8217;s middle of the road, noncommital, safe for the wealthy pigs.</p>
<p>What makes you think the man who murders innocent children with drones without a second thought, with no remorse or conscience, who does whatever the &#8220;republicans&#8221; want him to do, including flushing our Social Security and Medicare down the toilet, who sneers in our faces with lies about why he won&#8217;t even consider legalization of MJ, who goes behind our backs to conspire with health insurance companies to rob us, who can&#8217;t give the wealthy parasites their tax breaks fast enough and approves the transfer of our money to the wealthy scumbags, no strings attached, for their &#8220;bailout&#8221; &#8212; what makes you think he&#8217;s going to go all out of character and appoint a &#8220;liberal&#8221; SC justice?</p>
<p>When I hear that sorry, fraudulent excuse for voting for the asshole, I have to question the sanity and sincerity of the person. Do your homework.</p>
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		<title>By: UnEasyOne</title>
		<link>http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2011/10/31/white-house-offers-dismissive-response-to-marijuana-petitions/#comment-5380</link>
		<dc:creator>UnEasyOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 00:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where pot is concerned, don&#039;t trust the slanted science.  Back in the 60&#039;s one scare tactic was that smoking weed would make men grow breasts.  Had that been true, I&#039;d look like Raquel Welch by now.  Pot does lower testosterone levels a bit in males.  I question whether lowering testosterone levels in young males is actually a bad thing.  Think about it.

Back in the 70s, the National Safety Council conducted a study of driving under the influence of weed.  They had three groups:  Habitual pot smokers, first timers, and nonsmokers.  The outcome would have gotten no coverage at all if not for a short article in Playboy magazine, so I have no link.

Turns out that the habitual smokers were the safest, because they were the most careful.  Even the first-timers, who showed loss of reflex and other impairment were as safe as the straights, &lt;i&gt;because they couldn&#039;t be persuaded to go fast enough to get in any danger!&lt;/i&gt;  So all we have these days is the unproved assertion that drivers under the influence of weed are dangerous - exclusively based on crashes involving drivers under the influence of other drugs plus weed.

So don&#039;t trust any &quot;science&quot; on this subject unless you get into all of the facts of the so-called studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where pot is concerned, don&#8217;t trust the slanted science.  Back in the 60&#8242;s one scare tactic was that smoking weed would make men grow breasts.  Had that been true, I&#8217;d look like Raquel Welch by now.  Pot does lower testosterone levels a bit in males.  I question whether lowering testosterone levels in young males is actually a bad thing.  Think about it.</p>
<p>Back in the 70s, the National Safety Council conducted a study of driving under the influence of weed.  They had three groups:  Habitual pot smokers, first timers, and nonsmokers.  The outcome would have gotten no coverage at all if not for a short article in Playboy magazine, so I have no link.</p>
<p>Turns out that the habitual smokers were the safest, because they were the most careful.  Even the first-timers, who showed loss of reflex and other impairment were as safe as the straights, <i>because they couldn&#8217;t be persuaded to go fast enough to get in any danger!</i>  So all we have these days is the unproved assertion that drivers under the influence of weed are dangerous &#8211; exclusively based on crashes involving drivers under the influence of other drugs plus weed.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t trust any &#8220;science&#8221; on this subject unless you get into all of the facts of the so-called studies.</p>
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		<title>By: UnEasyOne</title>
		<link>http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2011/10/31/white-house-offers-dismissive-response-to-marijuana-petitions/#comment-5379</link>
		<dc:creator>UnEasyOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the evidence that MJ is addictive?  There is none, because it isn&#039;t.

I am over sixty and have smoked when I could get it for more than 45 years.  When I run out, I am just out.  There is no withdrawal.  And I smoke no more than I did at 20.

I am a helpless nicotine addict who has been trying vainly to quit for 20 years, so I know whereof I speak.  Since I am old now and have no connections, I am also out of weed.  High blood pressure runs in my paternal family line.  I have always credited my lack of same with MJ.  When I ran out last time, the only adverse effect was that now, suddenly, ten years later than other males in my family, I have high blood pressure.

Since I am unaware of any other male in my line that has reached 60, I wouldn&#039;t want to bet heavily on my life expectancy at this point.  Yes, I am taking medication to control it, but I would rather have the weed.

Biting off your fingernails can be habit forming.  Indulgence in anything pleasurable can be too.  But that isn&#039;t addiction - and the fact that weed is more powerful these days simply means I need less of it to get high.  Where are the &quot;weed junkies&quot; out stealing and robbing to get money to buy their drug?  If they existed, they&#039;d be the lead story on every newscast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the evidence that MJ is addictive?  There is none, because it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I am over sixty and have smoked when I could get it for more than 45 years.  When I run out, I am just out.  There is no withdrawal.  And I smoke no more than I did at 20.</p>
<p>I am a helpless nicotine addict who has been trying vainly to quit for 20 years, so I know whereof I speak.  Since I am old now and have no connections, I am also out of weed.  High blood pressure runs in my paternal family line.  I have always credited my lack of same with MJ.  When I ran out last time, the only adverse effect was that now, suddenly, ten years later than other males in my family, I have high blood pressure.</p>
<p>Since I am unaware of any other male in my line that has reached 60, I wouldn&#8217;t want to bet heavily on my life expectancy at this point.  Yes, I am taking medication to control it, but I would rather have the weed.</p>
<p>Biting off your fingernails can be habit forming.  Indulgence in anything pleasurable can be too.  But that isn&#8217;t addiction &#8211; and the fact that weed is more powerful these days simply means I need less of it to get high.  Where are the &#8220;weed junkies&#8221; out stealing and robbing to get money to buy their drug?  If they existed, they&#8217;d be the lead story on every newscast.</p>
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		<title>By: ouroborous</title>
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		<dc:creator>ouroborous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important to remember that the science shows that marijuana is not completely benign.  Smoking pot DOES cause respiratory problems (some worse than cigarette smoking), and THC alone seems to be related to depression and sexual issues.  The science is not 100% in, and you can definitely question some of the conflict-of-interest issues in the studies, but nobody is served by pretending that marijuana is completely harmless.

That being said, I would be willing to stake my life on a few points:

1) It&#039;s LESS harmful than alcohol, in net, and probably less harmful (again, in net) than tobacco
2) Legalizing, regulating, and taxing it would be a useful source of revenue (although, honestly, I think most pot would be grown by home aficionados; how are you going to tax this trade?), and 
3) The biggest harm, by far, from marijuana is the secondary harm as a result of the &quot;war on drugs.&quot;  Simply ending this bogus &quot;war&quot; by legalizing marijuana would, overnight, free up millions or billions of dollars spent on enforcement, open up countless jail cells for REAL violent offenders, and free up many police officers to go after the truly dangerous folks, as opposed to potheads and cancer patients.

We need to drop the &quot;pot never hurt anybody ever&quot; thing when advocating about this, because it&#039;s simply not true, according to the science.  But in terms of magnitude of harm, it&#039;s pretty small, and the harm caused by prohibition is almost unimaginable in scale.  The moral choice is -- or, at least, should be -- clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to remember that the science shows that marijuana is not completely benign.  Smoking pot DOES cause respiratory problems (some worse than cigarette smoking), and THC alone seems to be related to depression and sexual issues.  The science is not 100% in, and you can definitely question some of the conflict-of-interest issues in the studies, but nobody is served by pretending that marijuana is completely harmless.</p>
<p>That being said, I would be willing to stake my life on a few points:</p>
<p>1) It&#8217;s LESS harmful than alcohol, in net, and probably less harmful (again, in net) than tobacco<br />
2) Legalizing, regulating, and taxing it would be a useful source of revenue (although, honestly, I think most pot would be grown by home aficionados; how are you going to tax this trade?), and<br />
3) The biggest harm, by far, from marijuana is the secondary harm as a result of the &#8220;war on drugs.&#8221;  Simply ending this bogus &#8220;war&#8221; by legalizing marijuana would, overnight, free up millions or billions of dollars spent on enforcement, open up countless jail cells for REAL violent offenders, and free up many police officers to go after the truly dangerous folks, as opposed to potheads and cancer patients.</p>
<p>We need to drop the &#8220;pot never hurt anybody ever&#8221; thing when advocating about this, because it&#8217;s simply not true, according to the science.  But in terms of magnitude of harm, it&#8217;s pretty small, and the harm caused by prohibition is almost unimaginable in scale.  The moral choice is &#8212; or, at least, should be &#8212; clear.</p>
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		<title>By: defogger</title>
		<link>http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2011/10/31/white-house-offers-dismissive-response-to-marijuana-petitions/#comment-5377</link>
		<dc:creator>defogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to add that surveys in 1970 were so overwhelmingly pro-legalization that many Ca. pols,e.g.,Alan Cranston and Willie Brown.were advocates.If memory serves,Conyers and Kennedy  were also part of the legalize- pot contingency.Many comments presuppose that someone is waiting for permission to participate in this market activity.,even though growing demand confirms this is clearly not the case.Either regulate drug  markets or take the blame for perpetuating the fascist state as our few vestiges of freedom are lost to state tyranny and drug cartels.A true symbiosis of terror.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to add that surveys in 1970 were so overwhelmingly pro-legalization that many Ca. pols,e.g.,Alan Cranston and Willie Brown.were advocates.If memory serves,Conyers and Kennedy  were also part of the legalize- pot contingency.Many comments presuppose that someone is waiting for permission to participate in this market activity.,even though growing demand confirms this is clearly not the case.Either regulate drug  markets or take the blame for perpetuating the fascist state as our few vestiges of freedom are lost to state tyranny and drug cartels.A true symbiosis of terror.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Detroit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Detroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no fan of this administration, but characterizing that as a dismissive response. . . ? Offers facts, arguments, etc., and an acknowledgement that criminalizing pot isn&#039;t the answer. You just don&#039;t LIKE the answer. 

As a former pot smoker and father I share concerns about the impact of marijuana on young brains. And as someone who started smoking when pot was far more benign, I also worry about how strong the stuff has become. That might be a reason to limit potency in a climate where pot was regulated, etc.--not saying that is not the answer. But I don&#039;t think the WH response was insulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no fan of this administration, but characterizing that as a dismissive response. . . ? Offers facts, arguments, etc., and an acknowledgement that criminalizing pot isn&#8217;t the answer. You just don&#8217;t LIKE the answer. </p>
<p>As a former pot smoker and father I share concerns about the impact of marijuana on young brains. And as someone who started smoking when pot was far more benign, I also worry about how strong the stuff has become. That might be a reason to limit potency in a climate where pot was regulated, etc.&#8211;not saying that is not the answer. But I don&#8217;t think the WH response was insulting.</p>
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		<title>By: defogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>defogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I t&#039;s amazing that  there are more reactionary responses on this  post than in 1970 .Likely because in 1970 white middle -class people  were being  widely targeted  for arrest and prosecution.Now that drug laws are egregious Jim Crow legislation they are justified by invoking the Seventies&#039; canard of drug safety.Tell someone arrested for a possession beef about drug safety after he&#039;s been gang raped  prior to arraignment .Obviously a  reactionary such as Obama does&#039;t care about Jim Crow laws,poor people,or being a flaming hypocrite who smoked weed,tooted coke,etc..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I t&#8217;s amazing that  there are more reactionary responses on this  post than in 1970 .Likely because in 1970 white middle -class people  were being  widely targeted  for arrest and prosecution.Now that drug laws are egregious Jim Crow legislation they are justified by invoking the Seventies&#8217; canard of drug safety.Tell someone arrested for a possession beef about drug safety after he&#8217;s been gang raped  prior to arraignment .Obviously a  reactionary such as Obama does&#8217;t care about Jim Crow laws,poor people,or being a flaming hypocrite who smoked weed,tooted coke,etc..</p>
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