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		<title>David Frum&#8217;s &#8220;Bad Parent&#8221; Argument Against Marijuana Legalization</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Walker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even if Frum actually thinks the threat of legal action is an effective parenting tool on this issue, the currently marijuana legalization efforts won't change that. I have yet to meet any serious reform activist pushing for legalization without any age limits. For example, both the new Colorado and Washington State laws set the age limit for marijuana use at 21. Marijuana would still be illegal for his kids. If Frum really thinks this tactic works, he can still tell his children not to use marijuana because doing so would be illegal for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_3723" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 282px"><a href="http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2012/12/18/david-frum-just-makes-up-facts-to-argue-against-marijuana-legalization/frum/" rel="attachment wp-att-3723"><img class="size-medium wp-image-3723" title="David Frum" src="http://static1.firedoglake.com/42/files/2012/12/frum-272x300.jpg" alt="David Frum" width="272" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">David Frum</p></div>
<p>David Frum&#8217;s latest argument in his continuing <a href="http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2012/12/18/david-frum-just-makes-up-facts-to-argue-against-marijuana-legalization/">fact-free war against marijuana legalization</a> (which overlooks prohibition&#8217;s enormous negative consequences) seemingly rests on the notion that he is a bad parent.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, Frum is basically arguing that he needs everyone else to pay for maintaining an expensive prohibition enforcement scheme to make it easier for him to encourage his kids not to make a bad decision. From <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/07/opinion/frum-marijuana-risk/index.html?iref=allsearch">Frum</a>:</p>
<blockquote><div class='wbq'><p>Yet as a parent of three, two exiting adolescence and one entering, I&#8217;ve found that the argument that makes the biggest impression is: &#8220;Marijuana is illegal. Stay away.&#8221; I think many other parents have found the same thing.</p>
<p>When we write social rules, we always need to consider: Who are we writing rules for? Some people can cope with complexity. Others need clarity. Some people will snap back from an early mistake. Others will never recover.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just say no&#8221; is an easy rule to follow. &#8220;It depends on individual risk factors, many of them unknowable in advance&#8221; &#8212; that rule is not so easy.</p></div></blockquote>
<p>To begin with, the data indicates this &#8220;just say no&#8221; rule Frum is talking about has been a complete failure. America has some of the strictest anti-marijuana laws yet has among the highest rates of marijuana use, according to the <a href="http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/WDR-2012.html">UN World Drug Report</a>. Portugal, where all drugs have been decriminalized for a decade, and the Netherlands, where marijuana has been defacto legal for over a generation, both have dramatically lower prevalence of use rates than the United States. Prohibition has done a terrible job of convincing people not to use marijuana.</p>
<p>Even if Frum actually thinks the threat of legal action is an effective parenting tool on this issue, the current marijuana legalization efforts won&#8217;t change that. I have yet to meet any serious reform activist pushing for legalization without any age limits. For example, both the new Colorado and Washington State laws set the age limit for marijuana use at 21. Marijuana would still be illegal for his kids. If Frum really thinks this tactic works, he can still tell his children not to use marijuana because doing so would be illegal for them.</p>
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		<title>David Frum Just Makes up &#8220;Facts&#8221; to Argue Against Marijuana Legalization</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jon Walker</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone who believes that marijuana prohibition has done significantly more harm than good, I would love to have a serious data-driven national debate about legalization.  But unfortunately that is not possible when prohibitionists think it is acceptable to simply make up facts. This anti-legalization article by David Frum is an egregious recent example of that phenomenon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_3723" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 282px"><a href="http://justsaynow.firedoglake.com/2012/12/18/david-frum-just-makes-up-facts-to-argue-against-marijuana-legalization/frum/" rel="attachment wp-att-3723"><img class="size-medium wp-image-3723" src="http://static1.firedoglake.com/42/files/2012/12/frum-272x300.jpg" alt="David Frum" width="272" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">David Frum</p></div>
<p>As someone who believes that marijuana prohibition has done significantly more harm than good, I would love to have a serious data-driven national debate about legalization.  But unfortunately that is not possible when prohibitionists think it is acceptable to simply make up facts.</p>
<p>This <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/12/16/david-frum-on-the-perils-of-legalizing-pot.html">anti-legalization article</a> in The Daily Beast by David Frum is an egregious recent example of that phenomenon.</p>
<p>Lets go point by point. From <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/12/16/david-frum-on-the-perils-of-legalizing-pot.html">David Frum</a>:</p>
<blockquote><div class='wbq'><p>Although data are difficult to come by, it’s generally scientifically accepted that Americans smoke more marijuana per person than any other people on earth.</p></div></blockquote>
<p>While marijuana use is very common in the United States, this claim is not borne out by facts.  According to the <a href="http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/WDR-2012.html">UN 2012 World Drug Report&#8217;s</a> best estimates, several countries including Italy and New Zealand have slightly higher prevalence of use. Since the United States is near the top, I would let this slide if it weren&#8217;t being used to justify a broader point he tries to make with no factual basis.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/12/16/david-frum-on-the-perils-of-legalizing-pot.html">Frum</a> goes on to say:</p>
<blockquote><div class='wbq'><p>And really, why should that be surprising? Americans drink more than other people, eat more, crash their cars more, and shoot themselves (and each other) more. Name a risky behavior, and the United States is, if not No. 1, then usually in the top two. Marijuana use is just one more example of a consistent national pattern.</p></div></blockquote>
<p>This is simply not true. Americans actually drink relatively little compared to most first world countries.  <a href="http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_alcohol_report/en/index.html">According to the World Health Organization</a>, America isn&#8217;t even among the top 50 countries for alcohol consumption per capita. Almost every single European country drinks more. Similarly, I have no idea how Frum justifies his claim about car crashes. Again, <a href="http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/road_safety_status/2009/en/index.html">according to the World Health Organization</a>, the United States has relatively few car related deaths per capita compared to the rest of the world.</p>
<p>Finally, while Frum didn&#8217;t specifically mention tobacco use, it is generally considered one of the most risky behaviors among public health experts. America has a <a href="http://www.who.int/tobacco/global_report/2011/appendix_vii/en/index.html">relatively low rate</a> of cigarette smoking by international standards. Effectively, the premise of Frum&#8217;s &#8220;American excess&#8221; argument is nonsense unsupported by data.</p>
<p>I would welcome a real debate about the policy benefits of legalization because I think that most people if they take an honest look at the data would conclude that with tight regulation it is the best public policy option.  But that is not going to happen when one side is simply making up their own reality.</p>
<p>I guess it says something about how weak the argument against marijuana legalization is if its opponents feel the need to make up facts to justify opposing it.</p>
<p><em>Photo by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/hocolibrary/8080647355/">Howard County Library System</a> under Creative Commons license</em></p>
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